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In this conversation, Jacob and Scott talk about…

What Scott’s reading:

The Creative Cure by Jacob Nordby

Untamed by Glennon Doyle

Just Mercy by Bryan Stevenson

What Jacob’s reading:

Infinite Jest by David Foster Wallace

What’s Scott’s watching:
Nomadland, directed by Chloé Zhao

Anything with Vampires, Witches & Werewolves

What Jacob’s watching:

The End of the Tour, directed by James Ponsoldt
A Discovery of Witches

Here’s the poem Jacob read at the end of the show:

Forget About Enlightenment

by John Welwood

You are here:

Forget about enlightenment.

Sit down wherever you are

And listen to the wind singing in your veins.

Feel the love, the longing, the fear in your bones.

Open your heart to who you are, right now,

Not who you would like to be,

Not the saint you are striving to become,

But the being right here before you, inside you, around you.

All of you is holy.

You are already more and less

Than whatever you can know.

Breathe out,

Touch in,

Let go.

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